Bodily autonomy and the war against women

Bodily autonomy and the war against women

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Not going to lie, I about spit my coffee out when I read this:

“You’re asking people who can become pregnant to accept less bodily autonomy than we grant to dead bodies.”

I hesitated when I started thinking about the title for this post. I don’t like to be inflammatory. I hate using loaded phrases and words to get a point across. I believe they detract from the argument and put people automatically on the defensive. No one likes to be told they’re waging war on someone, it just doesn’t sit well with many of the people who are vehemently pro-life, many of whom are working to protect something they feel is incredibly valuable. They don’t equate being pro-life with stripping women of their bodily autonomy because that isn’t who they are focused on. All they see is an innocent human being that needs protecting at all costs from people who would end its life before it has even factually begun.

Of course there are people in power who use the pro-life stance to hold women down and relegate them to birthing machines with little to no other purpose. They hide behind a religion that has a history of subjugating women and making them inferior to men in every way that matters. As we move farther and farther away from the ideals of that religion they hold onto the last vestiges of their control like children holding onto a toy they don’t want to share. It’s pathetic, really. And these people use people like I mentioned above, saying all the right things to whip them into a frenzy about all the innocent babies that our tax dollars are paying to abort, which isn’t even factually true.

I’d like to go back to that quote above for a few moments. It doesn’t sit well, does it? It makes you uncomfortable. Even if you don’t view it that way, that is the reality of what the pro-life movement is demanding. You want a woman to sacrifice her bodily autonomy for something that scientists (you know, the people who studied this shit for a decade or more) don’t even consider a viable human being. If that bundle of cells was removed from the womb, it would die. It cannot support its own life. That is reality, that is FACT. And you are asking a woman to sacrifice her body in the most invasive of ways to support a life she didn’t want to create in the first place. Her body is going to change dramatically over the next nine months to support the fetus growing inside of her, and her body will be forever changed as a result. It will take months and even years for her to regain complete control of her body, all for a baby she didn’t want.

if at the end of they day you’re still okay with that, knowing exactly what you are asking her to do, what you are asking her to willingly give up, then you are the problem. You allow yourself to be controlled by people who do not care about you and use your emotions and religious beliefs to further their cause against women, to put them in a place of subjugation and submission. Below men, below even dead people. YOU are relegating women to a social status below DEAD BODIES. Even if you don’t feel that way, that is what you are doing with your words and actions when you support people who use their considerable power to put women below virtually everyone else. You are waging war on women with your actions.

You can try and dress it up nice and pretty by saying you are protecting the innocent babies, but you are purposely ignoring the very real human being already standing in front of you. a human being with needs, wants, and desires. She has rights as a human being, and your actions take those rights away from her. Her rights as a living, breathing human being trump any rights the unborn fetus has, just by virtue of the fact that she is alive and can support her life without the assistance of another human being.

And lets face the reality of the situation. Most of the people reading this are fortunate enough to live in a country where abortion is legal, and can be accessed safely. In states where Planned Parenthood has been de-funded at the state level, women are having to travel hundreds of miles just to access even the most basic health services, including birth control, which has statistically been shown to lower the number of abortions dramatically. In countries where abortions are illegal or otherwise not easily available, the damage is even more staggering. Women dying, getting injured, or becoming infertile. Babies who are carried to term being abandoned and left to die.

Doesn’t sound very pro-life, does it? Or does being pro-life end when they’re born? The minute they exit the womb, they don’t need your protection anymore? What about the unwanted children who end up in horribly dysfunctional homes because their parents are stretched too thin to provide for them? What about the thousands of children who end up in foster care because their parents can’t take care of them? The millions of children who don’t know where their next meal is going to come from? The kids who go to school with no pencils and paper because their parents can’t afford it? And then the cycle continues when the same people who are pro-life push for abstinence only education in schools.

People have sex. Kids have sex. Kids and people that don’t know how to properly protect themselves are having sex and getting pregnant. In states where abstinence only education is the standard, the teen pregnancy rate is sky high. We are not going to stop kids from having sex, this has been proven by literally decades of research and mounting teen pregnancies. We need to remove our collective heads from our collective asses and realize that we’re not going to stop people from having sex. That is not the answer to this problem. Abstinence only education is one of those bullshit store brand band-aids trying to stop the bleeding from a gun shot wound. Not only does it not work, it is actively harming the very people it is trying to protect.

I for one am sick and tired of being told I’m a horrible human being for facing reality. Would I ever get an abortion? Unless I am going to die as a result of child bearing, then no, I wouldn’t. But that is my choice to make, just like it is every woman’s choice to make whether she carries a baby to term or not. Providing safe and legal access to abortion dramatically reduces the risk of complications for the mother. Providing safe and legal access to birth control dramatically reduces the need for those safe and legal abortions. In countries where they don’t have these things, women are being harmed at an alarming rate because they would rather risk infertility or even death to go have an abortion by someone who does not know what they are doing. These are facts that can be verified by a quick google search. These are not opinions or religious beliefs, which absolutely do not trump facts in any way, shape, or form.

Religious conservatives are, once again, on the wrong side of history in this debate, and it is only a matter of time before your folly is exposed once again. Make the choice to be pro-all human life, not pro-fetus. Admitting the need for access to safe and legal abortions does not make you anti-life or pro-abortion. It means you have realized that while something may not be for you, there is a need for it for other people, and denying them the right to their own body and the choices regarding their body is wrong.

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4 thoughts on “Bodily autonomy and the war against women

  1. All I read here is a complete lack of responsibility and selfishness. If you do something that can have extreme consequences in your life, than you better own up and take responsibility.

    If you are going by the logic that “kids are going to have sex no matter what” then how about as a parent you do what is right and show them the responsible way. If you go and have sex–protected or not– and someone gets pregnant, face your responsibilities. By showing your children that it is okay to run from you problems just creates even BIGGER problems. You aren’t teaching them anything other than to try and cover your tracks.

    People need to understand that having a baby isn’t something that should be taken for granted. It is an extremely magnificent process that a lot women who can’t have children would do anything to make it possible.

    A nonhuman doesn’t become human by getting bigger or stronger. Whatever is human is human from the beginning. You’re saying these “clump of cells” can’t survive outside womb, so when a baby is born after going full term and you lay the baby down on a table and walk away is it still not a baby? The physical remains after an abortion indicate the end not of a potential life, but of an actual life.

    Dr. Ginde says “It’s a baby” while digging through the dismembered parts. Wait, so she is acknowledging that the “clump of cells” she is poking and digging through is indeed a baby? If that is the case, than by law, she has committed murder. She has taken life away for the benefit that she selfishly hopes to reward in, money.

    Here is a little fact to. The child may die and the mother live, or the mother may die and the child live, proving they are two separate individuals.

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    1. I like how you didn’t even bother to talk about my post in your comment. Instead, you went for the knee jerk reaction of shame and misinformation I was expecting from people like you. If you bother to reply to this comment, answer these questions:

      Do you believe a woman has more bodily autonomy than a corpse? If you do, how can you justify supporting policies and laws that take that away from her in any way, shape, or form?

      Lets talk about responsibility since you brought it up. If I told you I needed open heart surgery, would you advise me to go to a doctor who specializes in that kind of surgery? Or would you systematically restrict my ability to find someone trained in that procedure and force me to resort to drastic and dangerous methods to get the care I needed? Regardless of why I needed the procedure? If you support people who work to restrict abortion, that is exactly what you are doing. And while you may save a few fetuses, the vast majority of women who truly need an abortion are going to find a way to get it. How is that responsible? You would rather a woman die, become infertile, or suffer other serious bodily harm than have access to a safe and legal abortion? Don’t try and skate around this question like you did the rest of my post, I want you to answer it honestly, because people like you can’t answer it honestly and still be considered a human being. Either a woman deserves to die for having sex, or she doesn’t.

      Also, lets not forget that by voting for these policies, you are effectively making it impossible for low income young people to even attempt to be responsible. Let me be clear: The government (i.e tax dollars at work) does not fund abortions. It is ILLEGAL for Planned Parenthood to use government money for abortion procedures. So by de-funding Planned Parenthood, you are only stopping them from offering their other services, including STI and pregnancy testing, as well as low cost or no cost birth control. You are not stopping people from having abortions. In fact, these policies have been proven to raise the number of unintended pregnancies, especially in states where they only teach abstinence only education. Hmmm, who’da thunk it, more people get pregnant when they don’t have access to birth control or information on how to reasonably prevent pregnancy. Shocking. If your argument is that we should be telling kids to not have sex because it’s the responsible thing to do, and you honestly believe that should actually work, then I have some ocean front property in Arizona I’d like to sell you. While we should definitely encourage kids to not have sex until they are ready (Yes, I agree with you that waiting to have sex until you are ready is the responsible thing to do), the cat’s already out of the bag on that one. Pandora’s box has already been open. The last 50 years are proof that people of all ages and socioeconomic classes are going to keep having sex, whether the religious right approves or not. And frankly, shaming kids for having basic biological urges is pretty fucked up and is a great way to make sure your kid isn’t responsible about it when they finally realize their parents are dicks who made them feel like shit for a basic biological need.

      I never said people shouldn’t face the consequences of their decisions. Please, go ahead and read my post again and point out to me where I said people shouldn’t face the consequences of their decisions. Abortion is a consequence. It’s hell for the vast majority of women who are faced with that decision. Not only is it physically painful, the mental and emotional scars are even worse, especially for women who are forced to go through it alone. And instead of supporting these women when they need it the most, we shame them for engaging in something as natural as taking a shit. Yet no where do I see the man in this scenario being shamed for “doing what boys do.” Which tells me that because he can’t get knocked up, it is less shameful for a man to engage in sex than it is for a woman. Do you see how fucked up that is, how degrading it is as a woman to hear that message? We need to move away from this sex as shameful mind set, or we doom yet another generation to this fucked up way of thinking. The more I think about it, the angrier I get. By forcing a woman to bear the brunt of both her and her partners decision, you are subjugating women and making them lesser than men. Whether that is the intent of your argument or not is invalid, that is what happens. Hmmm, actions lead to consequences, who’d have ever believed it?

      Selfish. Ah, another trigger word used to make women feel like they are horrible human beings. The only problem is, human beings are inherently selfish. If there was one piece of food left in the entire world and you had to fight someone to the death for it, you would do it in a heart beat, and please don’t insult me by lying and saying you wouldn’t. You would, and you wouldn’t even think twice about it. Biology would take over and you would fight to the last breath without even thinking about it. It doesn’t even need to be the last piece of food on this earth. We have limited resources and those with the most money get the best of everything, even at the expense of other people. Human beings are selfish, get over it already. It could be argued by many that an abortion is the selfless decision to make. For example HERE is a woman who was forced by her family and then-boyfriend to carry a pregnancy to term. Over two decades later, her child is coming around and wanting a relationship with the woman who gave birth to her. As a child of a broken home, I can understand why she wants that relationship, because it feels like a piece of you is missing. Is the woman who wrote that post selfish for wanting nothing to do with her? What about the countless other kids who are put up for adoption that find out their birth parents can’t or won’t have a relationship with them? I’m not arguing that those people should have been aborted. Their parents made the decision to give them up for adoption for whatever reason and I respect that. But how do you explain to someone that the only reason they are here is because a scared young woman was forced to give up their bodily autonomy to carry them around inside them for nine months and then suffer through an incredibly difficult labor and delivery, only to watch their biological child be given to someone else to raise? How would you explain to someone that their mother died because she was forced to give birth to them? How would you explain to someone that they were a product of rape?

      People such as yourself refuse to look at the bigger picture, and I honestly don’t get it. You gloss over these very real issues and throw around terms like murder and responsibility and selfishness to distract people from the real problems we face, and that isn’t okay. In fact, its downright despicable and disgusting. Do all of us a favor and just reveal your true motives. This isn’t about saving unborn fetuses, its about exercising power and control over people who are weaker than you, plain and simple. You want to know how I know this? When you reply to this comment, you’re either going to gloss over these very real problems and not face them head on, or you’re not even going to talk about them. Because you don’t have any answers, and frankly, you don’t care. You don’t care one iota about taking care of people once they exit the womb. And that’s fine. You don’t have to care about the well being of people once they can breath on their own. But don’t you DARE try and make this about protecting life, because it is glaringly apparent that this is about power and control, not an unborn fetus. You can’t honestly look at the reality millions of women face everyday then do everything in your power to make sure she suffers as much as possible, then call that anything other than what it is. And even if you don’t necessarily feel this way, you support and re-elect people who do, so you are just as responsible for this as they are.

      I like your appeal to emotion here:

      “People need to understand that having a baby isn’t something that should be taken for granted. It is an extremely magnificent process that a lot women who can’t have children would do anything to make it possible.”

      If you had bothered to look through my relatively brief post history, you would know that I am one of those women. I’ve had two miscarriages in the last year, both within six months of each other. In fact in THIS post, I beg women who are considering an abortion to reconsider, if for no other reason than there are women, such as myself, who would gladly raise their children for them. I would give anything to hold a baby of my own in my arms, to watch them grow and mature as a kind and considerate human being. But at the end of the day, it is their choice. I can’t force her to carry a pregnancy to term anymore than you can. And shaming women for making an incredibly difficult choice is incredibly cruel and inhumane. You are not changing my mind of this, so please don’t bother trying.

      I have to ask, in all sincerity, are you seriously that stupid? You see no difference between a baby that has been born and a fetus that is reliant on the mother for things as simple as BREATHING? Yes, a baby that has been born at full term cannot survive on its own. Left to fend for itself, it would die. There, I admitted it. Happy? That doesn’t invalidate my argument. According to our good friend Google, the definition of life is:

      the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

      A fetus that stops growing for whatever reason (abortion, miscarriage) will never be able to do those things. It will never be able to grow. It will never have a child of its own. It will never walk. It will never engage in any of the activities that make us human. Ever. Of course, if it were given the opportunity and time, it would eventually be able to do most of those things, if not all. But until it exits the womb and takes a breath, it is not capable of doing those things.

      It takes weeks and months to develop the organs of a fetus to the point that it would be able to survive outside the womb. This is fact, science. Fetuses don’t even start moving on their own until months after conception. Ask any mother of a baby born prematurely just how hard their baby had to fight just to take a breath because their lungs hadn’t fully developed yet. Our skulls, the thing that protects our arguably most important organ, doesn’t finish developing for months after birth. For all these reasons, a fetus is a potential life. It is not an actual life until it can breath on its own. Yes, the basic parts are there, but you don’t see people trying to say a pile of parts is a car either. Until they are put together properly and in working order, it is just a pile of parts, just like a fetus is a jumble of developing organs and limbs that cannot survive on its own.

      Honestly, all of this is a moot point. I’m not here to debate the science. I’m here to draw attention to the fact that people such as yourself have absolutely no right to demand a woman carry an unwanted and/or dangerous pregnancy to term. That is not your decision. Not under your control whatsoever. You don’t have to like it, it’s still not your choice to make. It is a woman and her doctor’s choice, full stop. No buts, no what ifs, no arguments. You don’t get to tell other people what to do with their bodies because it is THEIR BODY.

      Ah, Dr. Ginde, your supposed smoking gun. She called it a baby? I used numerous terms throughout my post and reply to your comment to refer to unborn fetuses, including baby. So because she used a term that has been used for centuries to refer to an unborn fetus, she’s guilty of murder? And are you seriously delusional enough to think Planned Parenthood makes MONEY off those abortions? Do yourself a favor and stop mindlessly listening to Fox news without investigating for yourself. I’m assuming you are referring to the heavily edited video in which a member of planned parenthood was caught on tape haggling over prices for the transportation of fetal tissue. Do yourself a favor and read THIS before spouting off nonsensical bullshit that reveals just how truly delusional you really are.

      ” The child may die and the mother live, or the mother may die and the child live, proving they are two separate individuals.”

      I’m not even really sure how to respond to this. It makes about as much sense as male nipples. Please quote, directly, where I say a mother and her unborn fetus are not two separate individuals. I just re-read my post and nowhere do I see myself saying that. I don’t think I even really implied that. Mostly because I don’t believe that. Yes, it is possible for both (or either) the mother and the unborn fetus to die during childbirth, or even during pregnancy. The mortality rate of mothers prior to modern medicine is remarkably high. In countries where women don’t have access to basic medical care, regardless of the reason, the mortality rate among mothers is ridiculously high. The mortality rate for the unborn was even higher prior to modern medicine and in places where the mother doesn’t have access to basic medical care. I fail to see how this supports your argument, because I’m not arguing it is not a separate entity. What I believe you are confusing here is where I say the fetus is reliant on the mother to survive, which science supports. There is no argument about that, and I’m sure you would agree if you think about it. The fetus, while it is developing, is reliant on the mother to survive, thereby inextricably linking the two separate entities until such time the fetus can reasonably support its own basic bodily functions. If we can’t agree on this, then just disregard my entire comment and don’t bother responding because I can’t continue arguing with someone who can’t accept that as fact.

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  2. Great response to the young neckbeard. 🙂

    Isn’t it fun when clueless dudes watch propaganda on the internet and then repeat it at women who are then supposed to take their loopy-shit seriously?

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